009: It’s Like Comfort Food with Bob Walsh
Bob Walsh is old school and proud of it. He doesn’t read a lot, but when he finds a book he likes, he reads it over and over again. “I’ve read the same book about a half-dozen times and I’m listening to it now on audiobook.”
Bob is talking about The Perfect Catch, a book written by a man, for a man, and one that every woman would want her husband to read. “It brings back wonderful memories,” he says.
Written by his son and host of this podcast, Kevin, The Perfect Catch is more than a long car ride and a fly fishing trip. It’s about the tricky balance of what it means to be a good father, son, and brother.
As much as he loves to fly fish and build bamboo rods, Bob loves the institution that is the family dog. It was a book he read years ago that planted a seed that eventually led him to become an author, co-authoring Follow the Dog Home with Kevin and granddaughter, Samantha.
Hearing Kevin and Bob will probably make you make you think of your dad, or your son, and that’s what makes it a good listen.
Full Podcast Transcript
[00:00:11] Recorded live from the Sweet Tea Studios in Wellesley Massachusetts. You’re listening to the podcast, Why I Read Nonfiction. Hosted by broadcaster and author of The Perfect Catch and Follow the Dog Home. Here’s Kevin Walsh
[00:00:29] (Kevin) Hello welcome to the program. We got a good one for you today. A special guest that’s an important person in my life. Why I Read Nonfiction, it’s as much about the reader as it is about the books. We take a deep dive into books that we read and talk about how they transform us, have led to changes in our lives, how we arrive at selecting a book, the books that we recommend, a deep dive into our personal libraries. To receive the show automatically be sure to hit the subscribe button on your listening directory. It’s easy and it’s free, and share the podcast with a friend. That’s how we grow. And thank you to Nirvana on Cape Cod for sponsoring. A beautiful vacation getaway in a coastal themed home on a private freshwater kettle pond, great for swimming and fishing. Check it out on Why I Read Nonfiction.com. Our guest today is Bob Walsh, my dad, retired from a 40-year career in pharmaceuticals. He’s the co-author of Follow the Dog Home also a custom bamboo fly rod maker and avid fly tier. Fly fishing isn’t just what he does, it’s a big part of who he is. Dad what’s going on? How are you?
[00:01:41] (Bob) I’m doing just fine. Kevin thank you.
[00:01:43] (Kevin) How’s your morning starting out? You’re having some work done on the house? What’s happening?
[00:01:48] (Bob) Absolutely. We have to have the front door fixed and I’m taking some stuff down, and I’m having a guy come in and tell me how much it’ll be, and put in a little bit of central air conditioning since I don’t like lugging the window units anymore. So, it’s a busy time. (Kevin) So let’s talk about when, a couple of days ago, I asked you if you would like to be a guest on the show. I think you were a little reluctant because you didn’t think you had as much to contribute as far as like a deep library of reading. But you thought about it for a day, a day and a half, and you called me back. You said there is something I want to talk about. What was that?
[00:02:25] Walk me through it. (Bob) OK. It’s really, what I’m doing in retirement. I’ve been retired for 12,13 years now. And when I was a very young man I read a book called McLane’s New Standard Fishing Encyclopedia. And it was written by a guy by the name of AJ McLane and he was fishing editor for Field & Stream, an outdoor fishing magazine. And it was a massive work covering 157 pages or so.
[00:03:04] (Kevin) No, no, no. More than a thousand right? I mean this was as thick as a Bible, it’d be like a doorstop right?
[00:03:09] (Bob) That’s right. A thousand fifty seven pages! And the topic of building of bamboo fly rods only covered nine pages; page 731 to 740. I was able to dust off this book, and take a look at it. And at the time I first read it, you know, you were almost a baby.
[00:03:35] You had an older brother, I had a wife, and a house, and a mortgage, a full time job, and at the same time I was going to graduate school. And I read this stuff on how to build a bamboo fly rod and I said ‘Yeah that looks like fun, I could do it.’ But one, I didn’t have the time. I didn’t have it. And second I didn’t have the money to be honest. But do you know how you read something and it sort of goes in the back of your skull and it just sits there? And it sat there. And then when I retired I had the money and the time, and I decided I would like to go back to this book and see whether I can build one. And it went OK. (Kevin_ Well I think it went more than okay. Because what it led to is the building of what amounts to, in your basement in Connecticut, is essentially a commercial wood shop. If somebody walked in there they would think this is a commercial operation. Because you have tools that are that good, that professional. You wanted to do it right didn’t you?
[00:04:54] (Bob) Yes I did. But let me go back a little bit further. I had the time, and I had a friend whose name was George Rainville, he was a rod builder from Rhode Island. And I think he built 67 bamboo fly rods. (Kevin) This is no easy task.
[00:05:14] How long does it take to build a bamboo fly rod from scratch?
[00:05:17] (Bob) It takes anywhere from 60 to 80 hours. (Kevin) And there’s no guarantee that it’s going to come out right, is it?
[00:05:25] (Bob) Absolutely not. And as you progress through learning how to sharpen tools and so forth, they get better and better. And the first ones aren’t that good, but they’re they’re serviceable,they work. (Kevin) So back to George. (Bob) I was fishing on an unknown stream in Rhode Island. He was there. And I asked him whether he’d be willing to mentor me to teach me how to do it. And he said ‘sure’, sure he’d be willing. And it was a commitment because I had talked to him before and I sort of said ‘Yeah can we do it?’ And I had put it off. Finally I just said ‘I’m just I’m just gonna do it. And get on with it.’ And he said ‘yes.’ And that evening, he went home, and he passed away. He had a significant heart problem. And… I was, I was shocked. He was a friend. But I found a guy by the name of Lon Blauvelt. He was a professional rod builder up in Maine. He worked with a guy by the name of Kelley Baker. I went up and I took this course. And it was very interesting, I was absolutely turned on by it. (Kevin) Now at this point in life
[00:06:52] how old are you Dad?
[00:06:54] (Bob) I’m probably around 66. Something like that.
[00:06:59] (Kevin) So you’re now 79, so we’re going back in time here.
[00:07:03] (Bob) Yes absolutely. Absolutely. But I was I was thrilled by their teaching skills, but in the end I had a serviceable fly rod. And it was great!
[00:07:18] (Kevin) What was the validation of that? Do you remember the first one that you finished?
[00:07:22] (Bob) Yes I do. I gave it to my oldest grandson and he fishes with it down in Texas right now.
[00:07:29] (Kevin) Is there a special feeling as a result of that?
[00:07:33] (Bob) Absolutely. In fact I had Mary (wife) come up. She took the train up to Massachusetts (Maine) or took a train and a bus and all that sort of stuff to get up there. Because I took the participants, or the two guys who taught me, I took them out to dinner with the wives. And Mary joined us. This was quite a celebration, quite a celebration.
[00:07:58] (Kevin) So how many fly rods have you built since that time? If you if you had not have read that book, going back to A.J. McLane’s book, when you were a young professional with a young family. Would any of this have happened?
[00:08:13] (Bob) Probably not. Probably not. I can’t say definitely. But probably not.
[00:08:20] (Kevin) You see? That’s the power of reading that I tell people. You read a book at a certain time for a certain reason, or just fun, a diversion. But you never know the seed that can be planted as a result of that. Our guest this morning on Why I Read Nonfiction is my dad, Bob Walsh. Why I’ve Read Nonfiction is brought to you by Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod. A great vacation getaway. A house with a coastal themed home that sleeps 10, a lot of fish in this pond, trout and bass, great for fly fishing. And if you’re lucky enough to have a custom bamboo fly rod it’s great for that as well. For more information on that, and the books that we talk about with our guests here on Why I Read Nonfiction go to our web site at Why I read Nonfiction dot.com and be sure to hit the subscribe button.
[00:09:08] So, How do you… you never…
[00:09:11] You could have made a business out of making bamboo fly rods, but you never wanted to be paid for that.
[00:09:16] Why not? (Bob) Absolutely not. To turn it into a productive or valuable service would cost a fortune. And I was too old. The men who are professional bamboo rod makers probably started in their early 20s. And they built you know five hundred, a thousand rods and so forth. I knew I couldn’t build that sort of reputation. But in another thing I didn’t want to get into a commercial venture. To me this was a way of spending retirement. I was enjoying myself. But one thing I did do was to teach how to make bamboo fly rods to 15 individuals, including physicians, laborers, what have you. I only had one guy quit, he was not having fun. But all the others they enjoyed themselves and they persevered. They spent 60 to 80 hours down in my basement, working on these fly rods with my tutelage, and they all produced nice beautiful rods.
[00:10:31] (Kevin) And your currency is just to the satisfaction of seeing their joy in doing it, and the validation when they come back later and say this was a result. Is that correct?
[00:10:42] (Bob) Absolutely. Absolutely. And I have down there a list. I call it my bamboo rod maker’s Hall of Fame. And it just lists the guys, their name, and how many rods they’ve made with me. One guy’s made three. He’s now out trying to acquire all the equipment to make his own in his own basement, or garage, or wherever he’s going to build it. Another guy’s built two. And all the rest go one. Now there was a young man, he was an older man sorry, sorry. And he had acquired, probably about the same time as I was showing some original interest in bamboo fly rod making. He had acquired the necessary bamboo. (Kevin) And that’s not easy to do.
[00:11:35] That’s not like you just go to the hardware or a store fishing shop. You need this specific reeds from a specific place. Where do you get them?
[00:11:44] (Bob) Absolutely. I have my own stock now and I bought it from a guy by the name of Andy Royer, bamboobroker.com, and Andy used to go to China. He had a friend over there. They used to go through, the through the cane to make sure it was straight, to make sure it didn’t have any imperfections that could not be taken care of by the rod builder and so forth. And then he would gather it up, send it to this country, and he would parcel it out to the various rod builders. (Kevin) And you need good stuff because you won’t have a good result if you don’t have a good product. So if there is a little burr, if there is a little knot in the bamboo, you don’t even bother to to try. Is that right? (Bob) You could try to work around it, you may or may not succeed. But unfortunately he passed away. There was another family guy named, Demorisk, and it was the father son, or husband, wife and he passed away, and she followed within a couple of years. And the importance is, is that it comes from a place in China.
[00:12:58] It’s about 20 square miles. And it just grows perfectly.
[00:13:05] (Kevin) Would it be similar to grapes for wine in a certain region of France or California if you want wine? (Bob) Absolutely. That’s a good, good comparison. You want this to come from this specific region. And part of it is it’s tradition, and part of it is because the product, at the end, seemed to come out better. Now people have tried some of the locally grown stuff and so forth. And I guess it could provide a serviceable rod, but certainly not something that would you, you would probably cherish and pass on to your grandchildren and so forth.
[00:13:45] (Kevin) Speaking of grandchildren, how many do you have?
[00:13:48] (Bob) I have a whole bunch as you know, Kevin, we have 20 in our family, 20 grandchildren. And one Christmas provided each of my grandsons with one of my bamboos, bamboo fly rods. (Kevin) That’s a lot of work. (Bob) I wrote a note to all of them saying, you know, maybe you won’t use it, but you will find someone who will. And it’s a family treasure that I’m passing on to you. Now, at the same time, there were 12 girls. And I was making them.
[00:14:26] I was fly tying some uh, it’s called a Royal Wulff pattern. And I turned them into earrings. And I belong to a fly tying group. We meet every Wednesday up in Rhode Island. And one of the guys said, “You gave those boys fly rods and you gave those girls chintzy earrings?”
[00:14:57] (Kevin) So let me get this straight. You took flies that would normally be used for fishing, just for people that are not up to speed with fly fishing, and you made them into earrings for your granddaughters?
[00:15:07] (Bob) Yes. Yes. (laughter)
[00:15:09] (Kevin) Hey there are a lot of different uses for flies or materials that we can use to make flies the fish with.
[00:15:16] (Bob) Absolutely. (Kevin) Well I told you about the German Shepherd fly that I’ve been tying in fishing with. (Bob) Yeah.
[00:15:22] I can’t wait for the season to open up so I can try it.
[00:15:26] (Kevin) Well it’s the silver bullet. It’s from the fur of my German Shepherd, Beverly. (Bob) Absolutely. Yes, I know Kevin. (Kevin) Who we wrote about in the book Follow the Dog Home. Who led us back to our family homestead that was long lost, and we didn’t know we lived there. But you’re not only a reader, and have been inspired by reading, reading has inspired you to write. You first started working on your first and your only book in 2011. What was the inspiration behind that?
[00:15:58] (Boby) Well, you had previously written a book on your efforts to provide a bone marrown transplant for child with cancer. (Kevin) The Marrow in Me. You remember that? (Bob) Yes I do. I sort of figured that if sonny boy, you could write a book and get it published, maybe I could just sit down and write a book. And I don’t think I even told you about it. I just sat down a computer. And I started throwing it out. And what it is, it’s a chronology of the dogs in my life. The good dogs, the perfect dogs, the imperfect dogs, the bad dogs and so forth. Because with, with you guys,
[00:16:46] when I was writing it I think it was 17 dogs in our lives. A each had its own story. Now after I gave you this there was a picture someplace of me trying to strangle you, Kevin. (laughter) Because it became a joint venture.
[00:17:07] (Kevin) Well let me let me fill in some of the gaps here. So I remember a conversation with you and I was just checking in on you.
[00:17:13] I was like,’Hey Dad what are you doing? What do you been up to? And you said ‘I’m writing a book! And I’m like ‘You are?’ (laughter) What’s it about? And you said ‘My dogs!’ And I always remember growing up, you told pretty cool dog stories. You had a lot of dogs in your life as we did when you raised us. But your stories about your dogs were far more interesting than everybody else’s it seems. You had a dog that dug its own grave, a dog that thought it could fly, and could, but only in one direction; a dog that could read, a dog that often tried to hem the mailman’s pants, and dogs that have been there for you at really difficult times in your life.
[00:18:01] But do you remember what I told you when you said, ‘OK I’m just going to write it.’?’ Do you remember what I said to you about putting it together and having it in a suitable format for a book?
[00:18:12] (Bob) Well I know that you wanted me to write outlines and all that sort of stuff, and I really didn’t follow your advice, Kevin. I just, I just sat there and wrote it.
[00:18:26] (Kevin) Well you did a nice job with what you did. But to make it into a commercial product which eventually became Follow The Dog Home and included my daughter, Samantha, your granddaughter; there had to be a theme throughout the book so it wasn’t just a hodgepodge of: “Well here are my dogs. So these are my experiences with with my dogs.”
[00:18:46] I looked at it in its totality. That the dog, the family dog, is really an American institution. Would you agree with that
[00:18:55] (Bob) Yes I would. And their contribution, that’s what I was really trying to capture there, that each one has its own personality and it contributed in different ways to making it a full family. And as you know I lost my Corgi back in August of this year, and it’s an emptiness in our household. I don’t know whether I’ll be able to get another dog but if I don’t, I can live vicariously through you guys with your dogs because your older brother has three, your younger brother has one and you have one. (Kevin) It’s, and that’s the gift,
[00:19:41] what I think we tried to put forth in the book, was it’s the gift that keeps on giving. But more than that, it is the one constant in life isn’t it? (Bob) Yes. (Kevin) because your world was not your father’s world, right? (Bob)
[00:19:56] Yes it was not. (Kevin) And my world isn’t your world. But what is changed about the family dog? And what it does for families over the years in your opinion? (Bob) Not a thing. (Kevin) Is there some comfort in that?
[00:20:09] (Bob) Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s why it blends and melds your family together which is important, it’s important.
[00:20:19] (Kevin) Our guest today. (interuppted) Sorry Dad. Our guest today is Bob Walsh. He is the co-author of Follow the Dog Home and a bamboo fly rod maker who lives in Ledyard, Connecticut. He’s been retired from the pharmaceutical industry for quite some time. Why I Read Nonfiction brought to you by Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod. If you’re looking for a good vacation getaway on the elbow close to famous beaches and great places to eat, check out Nirvana on a freshwater kettle pond. Great for fishing, great for family. All the information about that and the books we read, available on our web site at Why I Read Nonfiction dot.com. There is another book that you read Dad that is personal to our family: The Perfect Catch. This was, this was inspired by a fishing trip that you planned for you and your sons; my older brother Chris, my younger brother Mike. And it was a fly fishing trip that we took to western New York. Why did why did you want to take that trip? And why did you think it was important to get us all together again?
[00:21:24] (Bob) Well one is I am aging, Kevin.
[00:21:27] As you know I am aging. And I wanted something to bring you guys together so that when I’m not here you have something– common bonds and so forth. It’s very fortunate that my first son, Christopher and I spent a lot of time lot of time fishing. We had a wonderful time. One time when he’s about four years old I brought him, and we’re fishing for sunnies on a little pond in Rhode Island. And I brought him back after about 12 hours to Grandma Beth’s house. And he was crying. “Why are you crying?”
[00:22:07] Because I brought him in too soon. Well he’s always been an avid fisherman. You on the other hand liked to throw rocks in the rivers.
[00:22:18] One time I took you to a place called The Little Lehigh River in Pennsylvania. And you were just throwing rocks in the river. You were young. You were five or six or seven top like that. Probably five, or six. (Kevin) Messing it up for everybody? (Bob) Yeah that was all right. Kids like to throw rocks into, into ponds. But you also fell into one of the rearing ponds. (Laughter!) (Kevin) I remember that. This is where they were raising fish. It was the hatchery.
[00:22:48] (Bob) It was the hatchery. (laughter!) (Kevin) And I figured why not, why cast for fish? Why not just grab them with your hands? And I fell right in.
[00:22:58] (Boby) That’s right. That’s right. So that that’s your fishing stuff. And Michael never really did take to it. But I decided what I would do, I would arrange with a very competent guide service. It’s called Reel Action Fly Fishing and it’s out of uh, (Kevin) Rochester, New York. (Bob) Well it’s out of Rochester. Yes.
[00:23:25] (Kevin) And it also has bases in Alaska as well. Our good friend Paul Jacob who, would you say is about the best fisherman you’ve ever seen?
[00:23:33] (Bob) He is an extraordinary guy.
[00:23:35] He’s an extraordinary individual. And he’s an extraordinary fisherman. And I called him up and arrainged to have a booking two or three days with him. And I called you guys up and told you to not have any plans for Thanksgiving that we were going to have this trip.
[00:23:57] (Kevin) So we had this trip and you paid for it all with plenty of advance warning so there was now wiggling out of it like, ‘Oh let me check my calendar,
[00:24:06] Oh I got to work, because you understand? We have jobs that we need to protect right? (Bob) Absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:24:13] (Kevin) But you us advanced warning around the time that most people can get off because not many people work Thanksgiving week.
[00:24:20] (Bob) That’s right. (Kevin) So so my brothers, your sons, flew up from the south.
[00:24:26] We rendezvoused at your house and we piled in my truck and we drove out to western New York about eight hours each way.
[00:24:34] (Bob) Yeah. (Kevin) Was that a special ride to you? (Bob) It was.
[00:24:42] Because I saw you guys interchanging ideas and concepts and jibes (laughter). And all the old and normal fishin’ stuff. In fact just before, earlier today, Chris Walsh called up. He wanted to make sure that if you’re going to be interviewing me, That I gotta get in a word edgewise, Kevin. (laughter)
[00:25:06] (Kevin) Well this is more your interview than it is mine but so, (Bob) I know, I know. (Kevin) I am sorry to interrupt, so here we go, yeah Dad. Yeah this is what Chris was thinking, I was going to interrupt you the whole time.
[00:25:16] Fine. (laughter)
[00:25:17] But was it special to you to see your sons connecting as men, and as friends, and as something more than brothers?
[00:25:27] (Bob) Absolutely, absolutely. It was exactly what I wanted this trip to accomplish which was to bind you guys together. And it’s an easy way to do it through fishing.
[00:25:42] You came to fishing very late in the whole chronology. But you’ve turned into a damn fine fisherman. And you like tying flies, you like, you’re beautiful caster and so forth, and all of these things are things that you can bond with other people, you can bond with your brothers. It was nice to see all the fish caught. And they were beautiful fish and they were all returned to spend another day in that beautiful river.
[00:26:18] (Kevin) How many times you read that book Dad? I’ve read it at least half a dozen times and I’m listening to it on the book on tape because it, it just brings back those wonderful memories.
[00:26:33] Wonderful memories.
[00:26:36] (Kevin) Have you shared that book with people? And have they shared some comments on what it did for them?
[00:26:41] Yes they have. And even though people are not fishermen they understand the basis of that book which is the family dynamic and the importance of that.
[00:26:55] When you when you wrote about having dinner at a place in in New York state and… (Kevin) This was Alex’s place in Batavia.
[00:27:09] The ribs place? (Bob) Yeah.
[00:27:11] And your interaction with the waitstaff lady.
[00:27:18] It was beautiful. (Kevin) Well what you saw. Let me let me just bring everybody up to speed if they’re not familiar. There was, we kept going to this regular place which would have been Batavia’s equivalent of The Elbow Room or The Common Ground. And it was clear we weren’t from there, right? (Bob) Yep, yep.
[00:27:35] (Kevin) We looked like we were visitors. Strangers in a strange land. And the waitstaff, one waitress in particular, was very interested in us and was wondering why we were there. And then when I told her the story about we were, we were brothers, and you were our dad, and that we had all traveled from different points in the country to get together to come together to fish. She was just very touched by that. And the bonding that we were showing as men. And she had sons who were in their early 20s that were maybe not as close as a mother would like her sons to be, or a father would like his sons to be.
[00:28:12] And that really resonated with her very deeply. Could you ever have imagined that this would have happened based on a simple fishing trip? (Bob) No no not at all.
[00:28:24] But you can’t tell what the effects of these these interchanges can be. It affected her life somehow.
[00:28:35] And it affected our lives because it allowed us to share the value of being a family and what have you. Another book that we talked about I talked about was Art Flick’s. He wrote a book. It’s called Art Flick’s New Stream Side Guide and I heard about the book in the early nineteen, through the late 1960s or early 1970s. And the book was out of print.
[00:29:13] (Kevin) And you went on a Sisyphean effort to try and find this book. This is, this is how important this book was for you to find. What did you do?
[00:29:23] Yes I went to the New York antique book dealers and I offered him fifty dollars for it at that time was a lot of money or a copy of this book which was at a press and they weren’t able to find it.
[00:29:40] They were unable to get it for me. But a year later the Orvis company offered a special edition of this book and the price was 50 dollars. And I immediately bought it and I think my book copy is number 47 or something like that. It was a limited edition 250. Now it’s subsequently been republished and so forth. But it’s a treasured book because I had to go search for it. And I spent a lot of time, and in fact I read it several times, because it had some very special ways to tie this fly or that fly and so forth. It’s really the recipe for you know what to use.
[00:30:32] (Kevin) It’s like comfort food for you?
[00:30:34] (Bob) It’s like comfort food. Absolutely. Have you ever heard the fly made from the pink fur from vixen of red fox? (Kevin) (Saracastically) Of course. Everybody’s heard of that. (Bob) Urine stained burns. (Kevin) Wait a minute. Say that again. (Bob) Have you ever heard of a fly body made from the pink fur from vixen of a red fox from urine stained burns?
[00:31:01] (Kevin) No, but can you. I’m fascinated. Can you create that picture for the non fly fishing geeks that are listening? (laughter)
[00:31:11] (Bob) Ok. It’s just another challenge! You pick this. This… there’s a little fluff, because it has a reddish hue to it and it perfectly matches the body of the Hendrickson which is a particular fly that comes off (hatches) in April. And it’s,it’s one of the things that a fly fisherman looks forward to. But it forced me (laughter) to look. And I finally actually found some in Alaska which was from a fox fur. And it was urine stained! I can tie now the perfect fly in accordance with the recipe of Art Flick.
[00:31:56] (Kevin) But if you hadn’t found that book and the efforts to find it, the search to find that particular fur, from a vixen, which for the animal challenged among us is a female fox, you wouldn’t have done it. But that’s the power of books. Do you see what I’m saying Dad?
[00:32:12] I think I have convinced you of that now, right? (Bob) Absolutely. Absolutely. (Kevin) All right. Hey let’s wrap this up. When are we going fishing again? (Bob) Hopefully next week they’re going to be opening the ponds we belong to. And I tied a million flies for it including the North Country wet flies, which are fun to tie.
[00:32:38] And I hope they’re going to work.
[00:32:40] (Kevin) Well I’ll bring some of the German Shepherd flies. My silver bullet for you and for me. But more than anything, just looking forward to seeing you again Dad and connecting on the water. And as father and son. I love you Dad.
[00:32:52] (Bob) Ok. Love you too. Bye bye now.
[00:32:54] (Kevin) Thanks for… (laughter) stay with me on the phone here Dad, don’t hang up just yet all right? For all the books that we talked about with my dad on our web site at Why I read Nonfiction dot.com, that’s your one stop shop. We’ll have links to everything. There is information about upcoming episodes. You can visit our bookstore and join the nonfiction network, an exclusive private online community for our listeners to keep the conversation going. And thanks to Nirvana.
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