018: The Voice & the Book, Part 2 with Josh Brogadir

Recognize that voice?  Josh Brogadir is a professional voiceover artist, actor, Boston TV newsman, former educator and a curious soul with a need to read.  If he’s not reading a book for pay or pleasure, he’s listening to one on audio.  The Dos Equis beer guy is not the most interesting man in the world; Josh is.

Full Podcast Transcript

00:00:11] Recorded live from the Sweet Tea Studios in Wellesley Massachusetts. You’re listening to the podcast, Why I Read Nonfiction. Hosted by broadcaster and author of The Perfect Catch and Follow the Dog Home. Here’s Kevin Walsh.

[00:00:29] (Kevin) Hey, what’s going on? Good to have you on Why I read Nonfiction.com  Again and thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod for sponsoring the program. If you’re looking for a vacation rental getaway in what I think is the most beautiful place on earth, Cape Cod, right by the elbow, check out Nirvana for all the information about that, about all the books that we’re going to discuss with our guest today and a full transcript of everything just head to our website, Why I read Nonfiction.com. Subscribe to the podcast too, it’s easy and it’s free. And do me a big favor, leave a rating and share the information with a friend about that. All right. Back for part two is my buddy Josh Brogadir.  Josh, you were so popular that everybody wanted you back. The most interesting man in the world. Well, let me give it the background before we pick up where we left off.`

[00:01:21] Josh has been a schoolteacher.

[00:01:22] He has been a translator. He is an actor. He is a professional voiceover artist, a professional narrator for books, a sports reporter, a sports anchor on TV, a TV news anchor and TV news reporter.

[00:01:39] What’s else? (Josh) I think you got it. (Kevin) What’s the hardest job that you’ve had before?

[00:01:46] (Josh) Hardest job. Great question. (Kevin) I mean, these are all kind of sexy jobs. (Josh) Yeah. None of them are really heavy lifting. (Kevin) Which one was, you know, got your hands full and you’re like, this is hard work. (Josh) I mean, that has to be teaching. Yeah. Has to be the very first job I had out of college, which was teaching. I walked in the door my first period. I’m 22 years old. Really didn’t have a did sort of a program. Massachusetts, almost like Teach for America. But in Massachusetts, we got trained over the summer. I walk in the classroom. There are more kids than desks. That was tricky. 36 kids in first period. We had twenty nine desks and kids are sort of sitting in the back table trying to figure it out.

[00:02:26] And Framingham was not exactly the toughest hood around but you have a very mixed community there.  You have kids who are growing up with very low resources and with kids and you know, who are very privileged.  And they’re all in your classroom together. So I would say that that was probably my first year. Teaching was the toughest job. (Kevin) Where are you from? (Josh) I grew up near New Haven, Connecticut. Woodbridge.

[00:02:45] (Kevin) Ok. So would the school system where you grew up was very different from where you taught right out of college?

[00:02:51] (Josh) No question it is. (Kevin) So is your your head spinning a little bit? (Josh) It was. Yeah, but spinning in a good way. And I knew the challenge I was going to take on. I was eager to see something different. And I actually have been my whole life to try to take on some new challenges.

[00:03:05] (Kevin) Were you a good student? I was, yeah. (Kevin) Where’d you go to college? (Josh) I went to Penn in Philly. (Kevin) OK. So you’re a good student. Do you feel like after graduating that

[00:03:16] for educated people, do you feel that there is an obligation to remain a perpetual student?

[00:03:21] (Josh) Absolutely. And I don’t even think it’s for professional people. I think it’s for anyone. I actually it fascinates me. (Kevin) I like that.

[00:03:28] You know, I’m the same way. And there’s a number of different ways you can do it. I think reading is one of the easier ways or one of the most fulfilling ways. But what you should do it.

[00:03:39] (Josh) You really should. (Kevin) I love to learn. (Josh) Do you think that enough people are reading right now and I mean truly reading? (Kevin) No.  (Josh) It’s it’s almost seems like you and me are the exception here that we have books constantly going and we take so much pleasure in it. And in your guests obviously are going to be skewed that way. But I don’t think the average person is as eager to pick up a book as you and I are.

[00:04:03] (Kevin) We’ll be be honest with me here. Not that you’ve been dishonest. But I hate when people say “Well, to be honest with you… (Josh)I will be honest with you. (kevin) Have you been lying to me? How long have you been lying to me to be to be candid with you? (Josh) Yes, sir. (Kevin) That’s probably a better way to say it.

[00:04:18] I think a big reason why I was reading at a younger age and I really didn’t have the love of reading until I was about 24 or 25.

[00:04:27] I read because I just want to escape boredom. (Josh) Hmmmn. (Kevin) I just didn’t want to be bored.

[00:04:32] (Josh) I was never bored. I still have never been bored. (Kevin) Really? (Josh) No. I mean, I read, I read to augment my existence, but no, I am not the kind of person who’s never bored, but I’m also kind of always moving, right? I mean, if I sit still for very long. It’s it’s rare.

[00:04:48] (Kevin) Would that explain why you’ve had so many different jobs why you’ve lived in so many different places?

[00:04:54] Because I said before another broadcast, you are you’re just an interesting person. Do you realize that?  You think about that? Or does it just be brought to your attention?

[00:05:04] (Josh) No. I mean, I realize, and thank you for the compliment. I think people.  (Kevin) I’m not trying to suck up to you. I mean it. (Josh) And it wasn’t taken as such. I just mean, in the regard that people compliment my versatility, my many ambitions and things that I do, I take that very it’s very nice. It’s very kind. But I’m not like doing it for anybody other than I just think that I would get restless and bored if I were doing the same thing at all times. And there have been points in my life where I do feel like I was doing one thing over and over. I got a little restless and I made a change. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I got into audiobook narration and voice over an acting is I was doing the same thing all the time and I got a little restless of it and a little burned out and I needed to make a change.  This is about, you know, eight years ago.

[00:05:54] (Kevin) How many books have you narrated? (Josh) I’m narrating my thirty fourth right now. (Kevin) Okay. So are the. Isn’t it the same? Or is it, a different book is always different?

[00:06:04] (Josh) It’s all different books, different genres. I’ve done books on the Mexican drug cartel. I did an entire book on the Wild West where I used my accent the entire time. The whole book was about being out west. I mean, I did that the entire book. And sometimes I’m doing a book about sports, Coach Belichick, for example, and then other times I’m doing where I am right now. The most recent one is going to be this book for kids called The Boogeyman.

[00:06:32] (Kevin) What is the what is the hardest part, aside from trying to imitate somebody?  And we all know who is, some people are really good at it, some people are not so good. Are you trying to assume their character before you take on their voice? And because, to me, that almost seems exhausting. Is it?

[00:06:51] (Josh) It it can be. Yeah. I mean, some voices really kind of tax the throat and become like a very physical way of taking on that persona. The difference between being an actor on the stage and playing one role, and being an audiobook narrator, and in the case of fiction, sometimes I have to take on 35, 40, 50 different characters through the course of a book and switch back and forth in the middle of sentences. That is extremely exhausting. But I don’t necessarily just go for an accent. I am trying to learn who that character is and develop as best I can, you know, to get the voice right for that person.

[00:07:26] (Kevin) Well, I’ve read two books and they’re written by me, so I know exactly what the author had in mind. (Josh) Yes sir. (Kevin) So when when he wrote them, so I’m trying to capture those voices. (Josh) That voice in your head was your own, correct? (Kevin) It was. But here’s the thing,  What I didn’t realize, I thought I was actually going to go in the sound booth and I was going to read much like I wrote. And it was totally different. And what I found in the end was, it was much harder than I thought it would be. And even when I thought I was on point and was doing well, I really couldn’t do it for more than about a half hour at a time.  How was it for you?

[00:08:03] (Josh) Yeah, you have to take breaks. If I’m reading more often and I have time to do it, then I end up like anything else, getting a little stronger at it. But there are still some days where if you’re kind of straining your voice and you feel it’s straining, it’s time to pack it up. You don’t want to keep going to really do any damage to your vocal cords.

[00:08:22] (Kevin) Yeah, I think you’re right about that. Our guest today is Josh Brogadir.  Josh is a television journalist for WCVB TV in Boston, Channel 5 for people that are in the Boston area. He’s been a school teacher. He’s been a news producer, a sports reporter, a sports anchor, a news anchor, a news reporter and a producer. Did your TV career start as a producer?

[00:08:46] (Josh) It did. Yeah. Actually started as opening the door for people overnight in San Diego. True foot in the door job letting in guests, getting coffee for the anchors and bringing them scripts. (Kevin) And then you became a producer? (Josh) Yeah, eventually a producer. I put together a reell what a lot of us do in the business where you kind of like, you know, they’re not fake stories, they’re real news stories. But you’re just putting your own, like, package on it and then you’re sending them out. So then I became, I had a conversation with my boss in San Diego about reporting there and he said, absolutely not. You need some experience. And so I got it. My first job on air was in Grand Junction, Colorado.

[00:09:20] (Kevin) So the goal was always to be on TV? You were just kind of biding your time in other roles in TV before you got a chance to be the guy on camera?

[00:09:29] (Josh) I had no experience, so I was trying to work my way up to that. Yes.

[00:09:32] (Kevin) Grand Junction, Colorado. How’s that different from your hometown?  Are you more of a suburban New York guy than you are a New England guy? Because Connecticut is a little bit in between.

[00:09:43] (Josh) I’m both. I’m both things I would say. I mean, suburban New York, you know, an hour and 15 minutes from Manhattan or so when you’re living outside New Haven, especially without traffic. But now I spend plenty of time in these like small New England towns, and you know, time up in Maine and have recently. So no, I definitely feel myself more of a New Englander than a New Yorker these days.

[00:10:03] (Kevin) When when I read, I feel grounded. I just feel like this is something almost like exercising, probably something I should have done sooner. And I always feel better for having done it. But sometimes life gets in the way and, you know, you have small children. My children are a little bit older now, but sometimes it’s hard to find the time to which I say… I don’t like what people ask, “How do you find the time?” You don’t find time.  You might find money. You might find something somewhere. You you make the time.  (Josh) You do. (Kevin) And if I don’t if I go a stretch, a couple of days without reading, I feel out of balance, I start getting grumpy and you know how I know I feel that way?  It’s because I’ve read somebody else say that exact same thing.

[00:10:49] There’s a section in the Boston Globe called Bibliophiles, which prominent people talk about to see what their reading habits are. And there was this woman, I think she may have been the provost at Tufts University. And it almost seemed like her words were my feelings. She said, if I go a couple days without reading, I start feeling grumpy and then I will pick up a book and I might read for five minutes and I feel much better.

[00:11:13] (Josh) It’s incredible. I have to tell you the truth. I don’t go a few days without reading. I read every single day. I make sure to make time either to listen, audio or to read a novel or whatever book I might be reading at that point. (Kevin) Well, do you start your day with reading? (Josh) Not usually, no. I mean, these days my especially I I’ve been working what we call the Eye Opener, the really early morning show. I mean, I’m writing first thing in the morning. Right. Getting my scripts all set. But as far as reading for pleasure. Now that comes a little bit later in the day.

[00:11:44] (Kevin) Like what would you say is your first crack? So tomorrow, for instance, you have to be, what time are you going to wake up? (Josh) Two o’clock in the morning. (Kevin) And you’re out the door when? (Josh) 2:30 to get to the station and be all set at 3:00 in the morning and then head to some live location to be do a live report at 4:30 a.m. (Kevin) And then when does your day end? (Josh) Well, it depends it ends on the day.  I mean, I worked this morning. That’s an example of like today. So today I went and I worked till about one o’clock or so and went home. I did a couple hours of voiceover, voicing some chapters, editing those chapters. Went for a nice long bike ride because for me, it’s exercise of the brain, is the reading, but I also really need to move almost every day if I can. Went on a nice bike ride. And then I came here to be with you.

[00:12:31] (Kevin) The exercise this reminds me of somebody else who’s an author as well and somebody that that works in the business. He says he exercises because he should, because it’s healthy, but he does it more for mental clarity. He does a lot of his best thinking when he’s exercising.

[00:12:47] Is that how it works for you?  (Josh) I’m the exact same way. Yes. No doubt that I’m doing some of my best thinking when I’m when I’m running or swimming or riding.

[00:12:55] (Kevin) Are you rehearsing some of the books that you’re before you go in your sound booth and you start reading a book?  (Josh) I’m absolutely doing character development.

[00:13:04] (Josh) Yes, That’s a lot of what I do, I think when I exercise is I do a lot of character development. Somehow the pool more than other places seems to be whether or memorizing lines for, you know, a movie that I might be in or a commercial, or if I’m trying to, you know, get ready for the next book. Yes,

[00:13:20] I will go over the characters as I’m sort of just going through the swim.  (Kevin) Our guest today is Josh Brogadir.  He is a professional voiceover artist. He’s a narrator of 34, 35 books?  (Josh), 34 now 34 for him and more to come. He’s also a TV news reporter, a TV news anchor, a sports anchor, all this stuff. He’s the most interesting man in the world. Thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod.

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[00:14:14] (Josh accented) I don’t always go to heaven but when I do. I call it Nirvana. (Kevin) Is that that the Dos Equis guy? (Josh)  Yeah. I was trying to do the Dos Equis guy with a little take off on your bit.  (Kevin) Well, that but that’s the thing. You’re more interesting than he is. (Josh accented) I am not the most interesting man in the world. (Kevin) No but you are, because it’s real. This is your life. Do you know who that guy is, by the way?

[00:14:36] (Josh) I forget who he is. I think I once did. (Kevin) Isn’t he some dude from New Hampshire?  (Josh) Is he really?  You might be right.   I know they replaced him as the official. You know, they found a younger guy to be the most interesting man in the world. I’ve seen him on some new Dos Equis ads. (Kevin) How many languages you speak? (Josh) I speak fluent English, Spanish and some Hebrew. And I studied Latin a lot, which you don’t really speak much, but I do know a lot of Latin stuff. (Josh) Did the Latin help you with the learning different languages? It certainly did. It was a great base for everything in my vocabulary in English as well. And I think that it’s helped me become a better reader, really, and be able to sift through books in a way where I get when I’m reading. (Kevin) The Spanish connection, where does that come in? (Josh) So I learned it in high school and I got to the point in college where I’d taken a couple semesters and I said, you know what? This is so frustrating. My professor is speaking to me and I can barely produce language back. So I went to Oaxaca, Mexico.  Studied there for a semester, taught English in Guanajuato, Mexico. And that’s when I started thinking and dreaming and living with a Spanish and Spanish speaking family. And that’s when I became fluent. (Kevin) Did you need that pressure?

[00:15:41] Was one of those things that you had to learn it. Was at a sink or swim?  Because I just wonder and with your help, too, I’ve I’ve gotten much more heavily involved in Spanish. I would say I’m not close to your level. (Josh) Your Spanish has gotten much better over the years. (Kevin) It’s easy for me to express myself, but when you throw it back at me, then I have to do like three times the weight lifting because I hear what you’re saying in Spanish, then I translate it in English, and then I put it back in Spanish. And I think I get it right most of the time and people kind of I’m not always spot on.  It’s almost like grenades. I’m pretty close. (Josh) Yeah. (Kevin) And if I mess up, it’s just like Lo siento estoy perdido.  I’m sorry. I’m lost.

[00:16:27] (Josh) People are very forgiving.  (Kevin) Especially as a second language learner. And I don’t always hit when I’m doing things either. But it is really useful whether you’re in the Red Sox clubhouse, or whether you’re at a crime scene and you try to find out the story from somebody who that’s their first language and then it’s comforting to them. And I can do translations that it ends up being very useful.

[00:16:48] (Kevin) And when you can talk to somebody in their native language, doesn’t it just. It makes them feel a lot more comfortable? That’s been my experience in talking to the Red Sox. And there are a number of Latin players on the team. Most of them are pretty proficient in English or pretty good. But every now and then, it’s difficult for them to express themselves. And I say prefiere hablar en espanol?  Do you prefer to speak in Spanish?

[00:17:11] And it’s just you can you see the difference in their face, don’t you?  (Josh) Yeah, they light up. They sure do. (Kevin) And then they’re much more willing to give you more information.

[00:17:19] (josh) Yeah. Now that’s that’s helped me cultivate, you know, information, interviews over the years. There’s no doubt about that.

[00:17:25] (Kevin) Watching Spanish on TV, how much of a difference does that make? Did you watch telenovelas?

[00:17:31] (Josh) I’m not really much, you know, a novela guy, but I did watch a lot of soccer that was being broadcast in Spanish. And so, you know, you hear some of the greats.

[00:17:39] And it’s not just, you know, calling the goal, but just following the action. That was useful in learning some Spanish.  (Kevin) in part. One of our conversation we talked about Malcolm Gladwell and The Tipping Point, which is one of my favorite books. Hey did you read Blink? (Josh) I did. I’ve read all of his yeah. (Kevin) What did you think of Blink? (Josh) So Blink I thought was good. I think one of his other more recent ones that’s better is Outliers. I don’t know if you’ve read Outliers

[00:18:02] (Kevin) I have not read Blink, but I’ve read Outliers and I loved it.

[00:18:07] (Josh) Yeah, I mean Outliers. You were talking before about what kind of stuck with you and you mentioned the Beatles when were doing Part 1 and how the 10,000 hours thing. And so Outliers, the thing that sticks with me and this applies to sports that we both cover is the number of Canadian hockey players who were born in either January or February or March and how those guys ended up dominating the league and becoming the guys coming out of juniors as opposed to late in the year. Why did that happen? Because that was the cutoff date for when they were these bigger, stronger kids, almost a year bigger than the kids were born in October, November, December. (Kevin) Right.

[00:18:41] So like 11th graders, as we might think in this country, is like, well, that’s the 12th grader playing!  Well, no, he’s an 11th grader, but he can actually be a 12th grader. And in your teen years, a year can make all the difference.  (Josh) Size, maturity.

[00:18:57] Absolutely. And that really does change things. So that’s the whole idea behind Gladwell. I mean, all of his books find like little things. And I and I realize he’s trying to pinpoint points. I mean, I think we all try to do that. We make arguments in general. But one of the things I like so much is that he he does have a little bit of something for everyone.

[00:19:16] (Kevin) Yeah. Has there been other books that have stuck with you through the years where you just you find yourself going back, if not rereading it, but maybe recommending it to somebody?

[00:19:27] Yeah. One in this applies to news that I was thinking about kind of recently is the late great Tim Russert book, his autobiography, Big Russ and Me. For those of you who don’t know, Big Russ was his dad and he talked all about his dad and the influences he had on him.  And his dad, he grew up in Buffalo, New York, very modest kind of background and what he had to work through. And one of the stories of decency, because we all want to be decent people, are we all should be decent people. I firmly believe that we model that for our kids. One story that just resonates with me and I’ll never forget it is him telling Big Russ, telling Tim as a kid he was putting some broken glass in a trash can.

[00:20:08] And his dad understood what it was like to be a trash collector. And he said, hold on a second. Do not close that barrel. And they got a smaller bag to put the shards of glass in simply for the chance that it could go on the guy picking up the trash and cut him. It was just that extra little bit of thought that’s always stuck with me. Yeah, you don’t throw loose glass in your trash can. You got to make sure that it’s cared for because you’re caring for other people.

[00:20:34] (Kevin) Well, it’s one thing to sympathize. It’s another thing you can empathize, because if you’ve been there, if you’ve lifted a trash can. If you had falling debris out, that reminds me of one of my first jobs when I was in college.  I was in charge of the golf carts at Purdue University Golf Course.  All the members of the golf team, we had these summer jobs because we were taking summer classes and I was in charge of the golf carts. And I just couldn’t believe how poorly people treated their golf cart like their personal trash can. They didn’t have to clean it out. And ever since then, I resented the people that just felt it was somebody else’s job to clean it. Somebody else will do that. So whenever I play golf, anywhere, I clean the golf cart out because I know somebody else would have to do it. And I know how I felt at that time. What else what? What are some other books?(Josh)

[00:21:25] That’s a way to be respectful and I like that. Another book that has one that I read recently that I want to share which is Where the Crawdads Sing, which is by a woman named Delia Owens. This is a fiction book. And I know we’ve been talking a lot about non-fiction. This is just beautiful narration. And I think sometimes as we talk about the audiobooks, and I don’t know if you listen to them enough, or if you listen to him at all, but Cassandra Campbell is one of the best. And she just really takes you right in there. This is like a coastal North Carolina spot and there’s a murder of a guy and it’s trying to unravel who it is. But the way the story is told is beautiful. I think that’s actually my favorite book I read in 2018. But that one is amazing. (Kevin) Storytelling.

[00:22:06] Well as a storyteller and as a professional narrator of books, how much are you trying to read clean versus tell a good story?

[00:22:14] I guess I guess they go together, but?  (Josh) Somewhat tell a good story is is the thing. Storytelling is everything. It really is. When we’re doing a news piece, who we’re doing a sports piece. If you’re going to connect with someone, to hit it out of the park, you don’t actually just have to show someone hitting things out of the park. You have to talk about how and why and how they got to where they are to be able to hit it out of the park.

[00:22:40] (Kevin) Do you always finish what you started?

[00:22:42] (Josh) Yes!, I am that guy.

[00:22:44] Uuuh God,  Kev, there have been times.  (Kevin) No see. I’ve been that guy, too. But I had somebody talk me out of it. And if you’re having trouble, maybe I can help you.  (Josh) I am. Tell me why.  (Kevin) Listen.  Why would you?

[00:22:56] Because time is money, for one thing. Why would you? Voluntarily torture yourself if you know you don’t like the book. Why would you stay in a movie that you paid money for? Would you ever pay money to be tortured? I really feel like being tortured. So let me go pay my fee and then you just like irritate me for two hours of the movie.

[00:23:18] (Josh) Torture might be an extreme. I mean, I don’t feel tortured.  (Kevin) Cut your losses. Your time is valuable.  (Josh) Right.  You’re right. I think what I’ll tend to do when I get to a book that I am really stuck somewhere or I’m not getting any traction and I’m rereading and trying to learn a little bit more. I think I’ll skim.

[00:23:37] I skim for a while. And then I eventually get through it. (Kevin) What’s your memory for recall? Do you? Can you pretty much remember a lot of details from almost everything you read?  (Josh) I wish it were better.

[00:23:49] I think at one point it was really good. And now it’s probably a little spotty here. And maybe it was overreading.

[00:23:56] (Kevin) When was it good? Was it when you were a student and you knew you were being tested on everything? So even if you’re reading for pleasure, you just kind of were, your mind was like everything’s been burned onto the gray matter of it?  (Josh) Yeah.

[00:24:07] Maybe it was a little something about being a student and having to, you know, for lack of a better term, regurgitate the information and synthesize it for, you know, reports and tests and things. I remember key points that I think, you know, resonate. But I don’t I don’t necessarily always remember names in this storyline, you know, perfectly. If you asked me if I read a book, I go, oh, yeah, I read that book. I’ll remember. But I also keep lists. Now I’ve. Hey, it’s 2019 I’ve gone digital.  I used to have the paper in my pocket with those five different genres of books that I was reading and make sure that I give each a rating from one to 10, 10 being good, going all the way through, crossing it off, keeping track of the authors so I can recommend it to the next person. And one other thing that I always do with the book, this may be a little sacrilege for some people, if it’s a book that I own I always sign my name in the book in the front page and I’d say the date that I finished it. So might be July 7th, 2019. (Kevin) I kind of like that. That’s kind of cool.  (Josh) then I pass it along to somebody and then I make them sign it. (Kevin) Oh, hold on a minute. (Josh) So now there’s a track of everybody who’s read the book. I just picked up The Tipping Point last night to just kind of glance just for a second. Five people had read it, three of whom I had forgotten that I’d lent it to add to that sort of made its way through.

[00:25:25] (Kevin) You gave me a book. And now that just, I just feel gobsmacked by that because, yeah, I remember seeing your signature and a couple of others, and I signed it. I don’t know where the hell that book is. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dummy. (Josh) That’s OK.

[00:25:41] Hopefully somebody else is reading it somewhere.

[00:25:44] (Kevin) Yeah, well they don’t disappear, right? (Josh) No. (Kevin) You know, they’re somewhere else. Our guest today is Josh Brogadir.  Josh is a professional narrator. He is a journalist. He is one of the most interesting guys I know, one of my very good friends in in broadcasting. Thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod. If you’re looking for a vacation rental getaway, that’s your place. For more information about that and for links to all the books that Josh and I talked about today and in previous programs and all our other guests. Just log on to Why I Read Nonfiction.com.  So what are you working on professionally right now?

[00:26:17] (Josh) Well, right now, professionally, in terms of the audiobooks I’m working on, The Boogey Man by Shane Berryhill. He’s a Tennessee author. This is my first middle grade book that I’m doing. It’s a fantasy book about a kid who wakes up in the middle of the night. He looks out of bed. He sees somebody in his closet. It’s that thing that we all had as kids. What is that in my closet? Is it a monster? It’s the Boogey Man. And in a way, he goes into the closet and goes through a portal into a fantasy world. And we are meeting orcs and we are meeting all kinds of ogres and dragons and things like that.

[00:26:47] This is out of my wheelhouse and I am loving every minute of it.  (Kevin) What a creative thing!  Because I think we think, if it’s not something in the closet, it’s something under the bed. Like, remember Where the Wild Things Are? (Josh) Maurice Sendak? That’s one of the best. (Kevin) Right. So you feel like you’re going back in time, but you’re also being taken to a different place. Hey, where can people find you?  Are you active on social media?

[00:27:08] You have a website, right? (Josh) Yeah. Josh Brogadir dot com.  And yeah, on Twitter, very active with my TV stuff and my work for Channel five.

[00:27:21] (Kevin) Josh, I always appreciate talking to you. You’re always honest with me. You’re always interesting. You always over deliver. And I look forward to seeing you online. I look forward to hearing your next book. I look forward to talking to books about you. And I’m really looking forward to going up to the Italian club right now.  (Josh) Let’s do it. (Kevin) Playing some bocce and having a couple of beers. That sound good to you?

[00:27:41] (Josh) Yeah. Thank you so much for having me Kev, really appreciate it, And to your success, my man.

[00:27:45] (Kevin) All right. Thanks. And right back at you, Josh Brogadir  has been our guest today on Why I Read Nonfiction.  For more information about how to get in contact with him, check out my website. Why I Read Nonfiction dot.com.  Transcripts of what we talked about, where you can find him, all that great stuff.  For Josh Brogadir, I’m Kevin Walsh, and thanks once again to Nirvana for sponsoring the program. We’ll see you again next time.

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