014: Embarrassing but True with Chuck Little
And it’s all Howard Stern’s fault. My pal in Hawaii, Chuck Little, hooked me on books with Howard Stern’s Private Parts. Fortunately, the two ha’ole boys graduated to more mature reading and discussion. You know those old friends who you don’t talk to for years, but then you pick up right where you left off? That’s me and Chuck. Mahalo nui loa Chuck! Ultimately the Why I Read Nonfiction Podcast started with you.
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[00:00:11] Recorded live from the Sweet Tea Studios in Wellesley Massachusetts. You’re listening to the podcast, Why I Read Nonfiction. Hosted by broadcaster and author of The Perfect Catch and Follow the Dog Home. Here’s Kevin Walsh.
[00:00:30] (Kevin) Hello and thank you and welcome to the program. It’s a pleasure to have you here for another session of Why I read Nonfiction. Why nonfiction? I just think it’s better. That’s just how I feel about it all. And thank you to Nirvana on Cape Cod for sponsoring Why I Read Nonfiction where it’s as much about the reader as it is about the books that we talk about. This is a deep dive into why we love to read, how we do it, what are our habits are, what books have moved us, what was going on in our lives at the time that we read a book. To receive the show automatically be sure to hit the subscribe button in your listening directory. It’s easy and it’s free.
[00:01:09] Our guest today is Chuck Little joining us from Honolulu, Hawaii. He is a former colleague of mine at KGMB TV in Honolulu, back when we were young reporters for The CBS affiliate and for the past several years Chuck has been a public information officer for the Marine Corps. Chuck it’s great to catch up again. How are you my friend?
[00:01:30] (Chuck) I am doing well Kevin it is wonderful to talk with you again. It seems like it’s been far too long but it also seems like it hasn’t been a day since we chatted.
[00:01:41] (Kevin) Well it just seems like every time that we talk whatever the issue, and it is too long, but when I pick up the phone and I talk to you we just pick up right where we left off. And I think one of the things that bonds us aside from our our past jobs, it was our love of reading. And I have to thank you for that, because, my love of reading was really rooted in Hawaii because I saw you doing it all the time. There was never a day that I would come to work that I didn’t see you with the book, and when you had some downtime or during lunchtime, you always cracked it open. What’s the genesis behind your love of reading?
[00:02:22] (Chuck) For me it was instilled by my family. My mother was was raised as a child of missionaries. She spent three years of her formative years, I think she was from like 10 to 13, in the heart of the African Congo with her parents. So, she didn’t have much, but she always loved to read whatever they could get their hands on. Her sister, my Aunt Jody, was a college English professor and her husband was in college literature professor, so they they instilled in me a love of the printed word, and they absolutely encouraged me to read as much as as I could. That kind of was the genesis of it, when I remember, one of my most vivid memories of summertimes was Thursday was grocery shopping day for my mom. So she would take my my older sister, my two younger brothers and I, to the local public library on the way to the grocery store and she’d tell us, you know, check out as many books as you want but I want you to read everything you check out. So my sister and my brothers would take two maybe three books for the week. I would generally take about a dozen, and I would sit outside at the grocery store on one of the little islands in the parking lot under a tree and I would have the first book done before she was finished grocery shopping. And I never failed to finish reading any of the books I checked out. And it was it was an escape. It was an introduction to worlds that I had never seen before, worlds that I never imagined, and I am so incredibly grateful to my mother and her sister for instilling that in me.
[00:04:16] (Kevin) If you go a couple of days, and you don’t do the kind of reading that you would like to be doing, and I understand you have to read a lot for work and I do too, and that just comes with the gig, right? (Chuck) It does. (Kevin) But if you don’t have the time to read what it is that you want to read. Do you feel out of balance?
[00:04:35] (Chuck) You ever been through caffeine withdrawal? (Kevin) Yeah it’s terrible isn’t it? (Chuck) It is. That’s kind of what it feels like. There is something very comforting and very familiar about picking up a book be it fiction, or nonfiction and resuming a story where you were in watching that story play out in your head. When you and I were working together at KGMB, I was commuting to and from work via the bus every day. It was a 30 to 45 minute trip each way. Usually on the way to work my reading was the newspaper to catch up on what was going on for the day, and on the way home it was leisure reading. And it was an opportunity just to pass that time very quickly, in fact, I had to be very careful that I didn’t miss my stop because I was too engrossed with what I was reading.
[00:05:35] (Kevin) Are you the kind of guy.. that can happen easily. Are you the kind of guy, that, if you’re in an airport or somewhere that you sometimes get up and take a walk but you don’t put the book down and then you don’t know where you’re going and you walk into walls and signs? (Chuck) Oh me? Noooo, nooo. That’s not what these bruises are from.
[00:05:56] No I get involved in a story and before I know it you know hours have passed by. It is sometimes a reading for me as an escape from reality. But more often than not, it is a connection to a reality that I didn’t know existed.
[00:06:17] (Kevin) We’re talking with Chuck a little in Honolulu Hawaii. Chuck is a public affairs officer for the Marine Corps. He’s a former television news reporter, and he was really my introduction into a love of reading. The first book, so,
[00:06:31] the first book that you recommended to me that did it for me was Howard Stern’s Private Parts. Why did you think I might like that book?
[00:06:43] (Chuck) Well, part of me, or is a part of the reason is that deep down inside no matter how old I get to be, I’m still a 13 year old boy, and there’s that titillation factor of some of the things that he talked about but. But, Howard Stern, I don’t always agree with what he says, but the man is passionate about the things he does and the way he tries to tell a story. And reading that book for me, I would find myself on the bus trying to contain my laughter because, you know, quite frankly when you’re riding the bus to and from work commuting and you start laughing out loud the way I would laugh out loud at that book people tend to look at you a little strangely.
[00:07:32] (Kevin) Right. And then they see what’s in your hands. And I had the same experience in it. But the difference is I think you laugh a little more easily than I do. To get me to laugh out loud funny, it’s got to be absolutely hilarious. And I was doing the same thing with that. And then I ran the risk of people seeing, because it had a lime green, glossy cover on it, so it wasn’t something that you really wanted to be seen with, but you’re right. He was a raunchy guy, sometimes he asked questions that you would never want your wife or your daughter to go on that show. (Chuck) Or your mother. (Kevin) But he himself was a fascinating story because, he was a child that grew up on the rough side of town in New York. He had a father that would you say is that was psychologically abusive to him?
[00:08:21] (Chuck) I would absolutely say that. (Kevin) But he overcame it all, and really became the king of media, which just sounded ridiculous when I said it. But, who else would it be if it’s not him right?
[00:08:33] (Chuck) Yeah exactly. I mean, you know, when you hear him say it it sounds very, very very boastful, but if you sit back and look at it honestly, you know, who else could you name that was that pervasive in our society and in entertainment? That, that the minute you said his name, people would go you know they either go I love that guy, or I hate that guy. But they knew who he was and they knew what he was about.
[00:09:03] (Chuck) Our guest is Chuck little joining us from Honolulu, Hawaii via the phone. Why I Read Nonfiction is brought to you by Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod, a stunning beach house on a private freshwater kettle pond loaded with fish and perfect for swimming. Not just summer, although summer is great on Cape Cod, believe me. Spring and fall on the Cape are stunning too. That’s when the trout come alive. For more information on Nirvanaand the books we talk about, Check out our Web site. https://whyireadnonfiction.com Chuck I know you got a number of books that you want to talk about and, it’s just for the folks that are listening to us here on the podcast, just remember the title of the podcast and that is the website, and everything we talk about you can find it there, so you’re not doing the alphabet soup on the Internet, like “what was that that they talked about? It’s just all, go right here: https://whyireadnonfiction.com
(Kevin) So you talked about your family and how it started with your with your mom and and your aunt and, and you liked it right away and you talked about reading on the bus. Is there any other place that that you’d like to read in particular? Walk me through your reading habits.
[00:10:13] (Chuck) Well, quite frankly, I don’t mind at all of reading in the restroom (laughter) in the mornings, it’s the morning newspaper while I have my sabbatical.
[00:10:25] But I do like to read late in the evening. Of course my wife has to get up at ungodly hours for work because she works in radio news, and she tends to fall asleep a little early. But, I do like to read from time to time in the evening while she’s falling asleep next to me. I’ll take 10 or 15 minutes, I don’t want to read for too long because I don’t want the light to disturb what little precious little sleep she gets. But, you know, at lunchtime at work, I do enjoy to to take out a book that I’m engrossed in and read it. But of course, I really do miss the days of commuting back and forth to work on the bus because that was the perfect opportunity. I’m being transported both literally and figuratively. I’m being taken to and from my home and my office, but while I’m on the bus I was able to read and be transported to whatever locale, or whatever story that I was, I was reading at the time. It’s, you know, it’s whenever and wherever I have the time to dedicate a few minutes to myself that I enjoy doing that.
[00:11:42] (Kevin) Are you a hard copy guy or electronic reader.
[00:11:46] (Chuck) I have a Kindle too that my wife bought me years ago, and I still use, and I still enjoy it. But there’s something about having a hard copy of the book that I really, really like I’ll grab whatever’s handy for a bookmark to keep my place. That there’s something the tactile sensation of having a book in my hands that I really enjoy. Now, some of the books that I have are are very old. So I have to be very very careful with those when I’m picking them up and reading those especially the Ernie Pyle books that I have in my collection, because these are all original printings from more than 70 years ago. And just by virtue of their age they become a little more fragile. So I have to be a little more selective when I read those, but they are always a source of joy for me.
[00:12:45] (Kevin) Do you get emotional when you read Chuck?
[00:12:47] (Chuck) Oh absolutely, absolutely. Be it be at fiction or nonfiction, I get wrapped up in the stories. I get invested in the characters and they become a part of me and that’s one of the reasons I’m so intensely grateful for that love of reading that was instilled in me in such a young age. Because every character I read, every story I read, I feel has an impact on my life be it small, or be it major, but it has an impact and it does resonate with me in some way or another.
[00:13:27] (Kevin) You talked about Ernie Pyle and I think some of our readers, and listeners will know him as someone that wrote a lot about war. And is somebody that’s been a member of active duty, and still serves in the military, I know that hits home very close to you. Which of his books really resonated with you?
[00:13:47] (Chuck) Well I have three of his that I picked up, but the one that resonated most with me was his first book which is called Here is Your War: Story of G.I. Joe. It was, I have a copy that was out of the fourth printing which is in May of 45. But the first three were done in April of 1945. This this book sold incredibly well. It is a collection of of Ernie’s writings when he was a Scripps Howard reporter in North Africa and Southern Europe in World War II. And, it is literally just a collection of the columns that he wrote.
[00:14:24] But Ernie was was not a man of great eloquence, at least not in his vocabulary, but he was a man of great eloquence in the way he told his story and the way the stories that he told of the average guy that was serving in the military resonated with his audience.
[00:14:48] (Kevin) So is this playing out, what he’s writing about, are you seeing the pictures in your head?
[00:14:52] (Chuck) Oh, absolutely. And, and they were at times both heartwarming and heart wrenching. Because he’s talking about the camaraderie, he’s talking about the victories, he’s talking about the loss, he’s talking about the day to day existence of the guys in uniform that were fighting this war that was so far removed from the American public. World War II, they didn’t have the instantaneous coverage that we have become accustomed to in the modern era. I mean even in Desert Storm, you know, you’re getting news reports within hours. Ernie’s stories sometimes didn’t hit the print until a couple of weeks after the incidents happened, so, his being able to tell the story of the local boy who is over there doing his part and serving his country were just a huge, huge influence on the audience on the American public.
[00:16:02] (Kevin) Well take me there. Take me to one of the places that he wrote about in particular, or maybe a particular battle.
[00:16:09] (Chuck) Oh God. Kevin, there are so many of them and, quite frankly, it’s been several years since I picked that book up again, but you can bet that when we’re done tonight that’s, that’s going back to the top of my reading list. I’ve read that book several times and I’m going to read it again. But, he just talked about how the the average guy, the G.I. Joe as they called him, would slog through his day in the army. Sometimes it would be very uneventful, they would be they’d be waiting in line to move somewhere, they’d be waiting in line for their chow, and other times how they would be in the thick of combat not knowing if they were going to come out of it or not. It’s something that has to be read to be really appreciated, and to be really understood.
[00:17:01] (Kevin) I think, when good reading to me is, well… I think it’s just the human condition and it’s really up to the author to help me uncover my own human condition. When I read about other people, I just start thinking about myself. And I know that sounds terribly selfish, and then I let myself off the hook, and say “Well, I think everybody else does that.”
[00:17:22] So when you’re reading about this, as a member of the military, are you thinking about your time when when you were going through boot camp, and then when you were active duty, and if you could tell us about what your experience was when you were active duty. (Chuck) It does to a limited extent, uh, I think, because having served in the military and having been through some of the similar experiences that Ernie went through, I mean Ernie served in the Navy and in World War I, and then was a civilian writer working in World War II when he covered The Army in North Africa and Europe, and then was eventually felled by a Japanese sniper on the island of IE Shima right off of the main island of Okinawa in 1945. Having had some similar experiences to him, it made the stories of the men that were going through what they went through in his books, it really hit home for me. I could identify with some of the trials and tribulations they went through, but other things were were utterly new to me. And obviously things were very different in 1945 than they were in the 1980s and 90s when I was on active duty.
[00:18:46] But yeah I felt a kinship with those men. And that’s because of what Ernie talked about.
[00:18:55] (Kevin) Chuck little is our guest joining us from Honolulu, Hawaii. For links to the books that Chuck is talking about in more books that we’re going to talk about throughout our discussion mentioned on the show log on to our Web site at https://whyireadnonfiction.com. The website is the title of the podcast. Many many thanks to our sponsor Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod. Have you ever been to the Cape? If not, you gotta go. If you’re looking for a great spring, summer or fall getaway check out Nirvana.
[00:19:25] (Kevin) Do you like audiobooks Chuck? (Chuck) I honestly haven’t gotten into them yet. And yet is the key word there.
[00:19:34] There are probably gonna be some some good opportunities for me to do that. My commute to work in the mornings is usually spent to listening to my wife’s (Julia Norton-Dennis) radio station (KSSK). For two reasons: one I like their morning show, and two I don’t like sleeping on the sofa if I don’t listen. But the afternoon drive time takes me a bit longer. It takes about 45 minutes for me to get home from work in the afternoon so I have been exploring the opportunity to look into audio books to help pass that time while I’m sitting in traffic, because I’m a captive audience, and if I’m not going to be listening to an audio book it’s gonna be music, and, so, one is as good as the other. I know it’s often as music brings up memories for me sometimes books do the same thing.
[00:20:28] (Kevin) The Greatest Generation. Tom Brokaw wrote about it, and I think you and I grew up in admiring his his work as a television broadcaster, and then he wrote about The Greatest Generation. And it’s really hard to argue against why it was, and the sacrifices that it made.
[00:20:49] When did you read that book, and what did it do for you?
[00:20:52] (Chuck) Oh Lord, I read that shortly after it came out and it had a tremendous impact on me for a number of reasons. One that I have several members of my family that that served in the military in the World War Two era. I do come from a line of military men. My grandfather, Charles O’Dell Little, was the first Carpenter’s mate on the USS Peril which was a minesweeper that saw active duty in the North Atlantic in World War 2. I’m named for for him. I have an uncle, excuse me, a great uncle, my dad’s mom’s brother, Frank, served briefly in the Marine Corps. I think for about a year and a half towards the tail end of World War II, and then one of my dad’s sisters’ husband, my uncle Bill, served as a Seabee in the Navy in World War II on Saipan. I didn’t even know about that until I was an adult. He is not given to talking about his time there because of the things that he saw during his time on active duty. But, but knowing a little bit about my family history in that era made that a very compelling book for me. It made me want to learn more about the service of my family members, and I’ve had several others that have served since then. I had one of my father’s other sisters, her husband, James, served in the Navy. James just passed away last year. My mom’s brother, David, served in the Army post World War 2, I want to say between Korea and the Vietnam era. And then I’ve got a cousin whose husband also served on active duty in the Marines. And my, my sister’s oldest boy, Andy, is currently serving active duty Marine Major now, so there are a lot of military history in our family so that that book, and his follow on book and then the stories from the Greatest Generation just really resonated with me because of those family connections.
[00:23:12] (Kevin) Was there ever a time in your life where you were involved in a personal crisis, or just needed a lift, and somebody made a book recommendation to you and it just made a huge difference?
[00:23:26] (Chuck) I don’t know that it was.
[00:23:31] It wasn’t during a time of crisis for me but I.
[00:23:34] There is a non, or a fiction book, that is, it’s fiction but it’s also semi-autobiographical. (Kevin) Doesn’t it usually work out that way too with fiction?
[00:23:47] (Chuck) It does and this is one that that you may have a connection with as well. You remember our co-worker Terry Hunter that we worked with KGMB?
[00:23:57] (Kevin) Terry was the was the movie critic at the time and he can break down a movie like nobody could.
[00:24:03] (Chuck) Yeah, well he has a since passed on brother Thom, who was an author. In 1992 Thom put out a paperback book called Translucent Blues. It was a series of 14 short stories and it was just, it was an incredibly impactful book. One of the stories was actually dedicated to Terry. Thom was a gay man, and the stories in this book, some of them are stories of love between gay men. And when I say love I mean love the emotion, not love the physical act, and reading this book and reading these stories they transcend gender. And they were incredibly impactful stories for me. And Terry had loaned me a copy of the book and it just blew me away. I went through it in two or three days because Thom, his writing style, and his passion for language, and his way of telling a story just just touched me very deeply. And and I have since gone out, and purchased a copy for myself, for my for my own library. Thom unfortunately passed away a number of years ago, but the work he left is, just absolutely astronomical. It just, it had a great impact on me because the man knew how to tell the story of the human condition.
[00:25:44] (Kevin) And he wasn’t afraid to make himself vulnerable which I think is is a mark of good writing because when somebody confesses to certain things that pain them, or certain emotions that they feel, I think the reader automatically turns that on themselves and say “Is that how I feel? Based on this situation might I feel that way? Let me see if I can put myself in that person’s shoes.” That’s kind of what it comes down to almost all the time don’t you think?
[00:26:13] (Chuck) Absolutely. You know as a straight man I couldn’t necessarily identify with the feelings of the character, the main character for another man, but it was easy to identify with the feelings of one character for another. And that’s what I had to learn was to put aside the looking at who the person was and looking at the emotion that was involved in the story, and to that that’s what made these very profound stories for me.
[00:26:52] And it is one of the things that has kept Terry and I very, very good friends after all of these years. I mean, I first met him 27 years ago and I still count him among one of my very good friends.
[00:27:07] (Kevin) Did you know what you were getting into when he gave you that book? Did he prime you for what it was about? Or did he did he let you just discover it on your own?
[00:27:17] (Chuck) It was more of a discovery. I mean he told me a little bit about his brother. And at the time when he is loaned me the book Thom was still alive, but I didn’t I didn’t want or need to know too much ahead of time. I really wanted to discover whatever I could about Thom through his written word. And even though I never met him, I do feel after having read that book that I do know something about him, and he had a really strong grasp of the human condition.
[00:27:54] (Kevin) Do you ever markup books? I know with some of your war books, they’re they’re treasures to you so you wouldn’t dare. But, any other book, do you dog ear them? Do you take notes off to the side, or on the pages?
[00:28:06] (Chuck) Oh no. To me that kind of like spray painting in the temple. Books for me are of a very, very great treasure. I do have several signed books.
[00:28:24] I have a copy of John McCain’s Faith of My Fathers: A Family Memoir that was signed and dedicated to me. I never met Senator McCain but one of my co-workers met him in D.C. and told him about my appreciation for his book and so he signed that one for me. I have a copy of James Bradley’s Flags of Our Fathers that was written about the flag raising on Iwo Jima that the author signed for me. I have a really interesting book called The Marrow in Methat was signed to me by the author. You might know him.
[00:29:01] (Kevin) Yeah that was my first book. And that has roots back in in Hawaii, and you were very helpful to me with that. And I appreciate that because you read through it, and you gave me some advice on it, and as the dedicated reader that you are and an insightful reader that you are, you gave me a couple of pointers and I don’t think you blew sunshine up my okole. You said, “I was with you here, and I wasn’t with you here.” (Chuck) Hah, hah, (Kevin) But overall, I think you liked it. And just the praise that you gave me just meant a lot to me as a budding author at the time. (Chuck) It was a wonderful book and, uh,
[00:29:40] at the risk of sounding like I’m blowing sunshine up okole now, I’ve really enjoyed your books since then: Follow the Dog Home and The Perfect Catch. One of the other ones that I have signed that is very, very precious to me. You remember Denby Fawcett that worked at KITV as a reporter?
[00:29:59] (Kevin) I do, the ABC affiliate in Honolulu.
[00:30:02] (Chuck) Yep. Denby’s husband, Bob Jones, was our anchor at KGMB. Denby is one of seven women that wrote a book called War Torn: Stories of War from the Women Reporters Who Covered Vietnam. That came out in 2003 and these were stories of the experiences of seven women who covered the Vietnam War. (Kevin) Well, that’s just different in its own regard isn’t it?
[00:30:22] Because that was such a male dominated war.
[00:30:25] (Chuck) Oh absolutely. And and for these women to fight their way, literally fight their way into being able to to cover what was going on over there was absolutely incredible. And again I have a copy of that that Denby was gracious enough to sign for me. So
[00:30:44] Yeah those those books are our treasured parts of my collection and I would never dogear, or or marked them up simply because they mean so much to me.
[00:30:59] One of the other things about Flags of Our Fathers that is very special for me; Back in 2015, we were contacted by an organization out of Tennessee that that honors veterans and they had an Iwo Jima veteran, a gentleman by the name of Jimmy Keep, who was coming through Honolulu on his way to Iwo Jima for the seventieth anniversary commemorations. And we made arrangements to have a platoon of Marines meet and greet him at the Honolulu Airport on his way there. He was wheelchair bound at the time, he was 88 years old. I worked with his father, we got this setup and I didn’t know until he actually, the day before he got here, in Flags of Our Fathers there are photos that that lead off every chapter and the beginning of chapter 8 there’s a picture of Jimmy being carried by one of his platoonmates after he had been wounded. And he was kind enough to sign that page in the book for me. We had like, so we had a platoon of Marines and we had him in formation render a salute when Jimmy was brought out. And even though he was wheelchair bound he managed to stand very briefly and acknowledge that salute. And the Marines just spent a lot of time talking with him. One of the things that makes the Marine Corps unique from the other services is that we are very proud of our history, and we teach our history. Not only in basic training, but throughout our time in the corps. So every one of those young men and women, most of them in their early 20s were very, very aware of how important the battle for Iwo Jima was, and what Jimmy’s roll in this was. And they were all surrounding him wanting pictures taken.
[00:32:56] He was the belle of the ball that evening and his son told me later that that was one of the best nights of his life, and I was I was absolutely thrilled to be able to have a small part in arranging that for him. (Kevin) I can tell. (Chuck) I have several photos with him. Jimmy passed away about a year later, and his son reached out to me to let me know that he had passed and he said the only thing that his dad talked about for that last year was his trip not only to Honolulu but actually back to Iwo the first time he had been there since he was 18 years old, and that how much he appreciated the fact that these Marines came out to to honor him and to respect what he had done out there.
[00:33:44] And every time I pick up that book now I, I can’t help but think of him. I mean, he’s been gone for three years, but he’s still very much a part of my life.
[00:33:54] (Kevin) And to see him in the flesh. Reading about people almost makes them seem bigger than they are, but in Jimmy’s case he he was huge, and he was a legend, and just the way that you honored him, and how you talked about the Marine Corps teaching history and knowing history. Chuck I got to tell you that every time I talk to you I feel like I’m being a being taught a lesson in history. And I thank you for that because I always feel better for having the conversation because I feel smarter. I feel grounded, and I just I’m glad to have you as as my friend and being a guest on the show today.
[00:34:30] Thank you so much. (Chuck) Oh Kevin, you are one of my treasured friends and like you said, we can go years without speaking and then pick up like it’s only been a day. And those are the friendships that that stay with us now and forever. And I am grateful for that as well.
[00:34:49] (Kevin) Okay. Well let’s do it again soon. Let’s not wait years. How about months? Go read some books and we’ll come back and we’ll do it again, okay Chuck? (Chuck) Absolutely I’d love to. (Kevin) All right. For more on the books that Chuck talked about and he is a reader’s reader. Just log onto our Web site https://whyireadnonfiction.com and tell somebody about it. That’s how we grow this. There is information there about upcoming episodes and you can visit our bookstore and join the nonfiction, an exclusive private online community for our listeners. And it’s just the way to keep the conversation going. And thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod. The perfect spring, summer and fall getaway with world class trout and bass fishing. Subscribe to the podcast it’s easy and it’s free, and do us a favor once again share the podcast with a friend. For
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