Andrea Giroux is that person the next table over at a coffee shop engaged in a fabulous conversation. You want an ear on it.  Now you can.  The daughter of an educator and one of five siblings, reading and conversation are a way of life.

If there’s anyone with a zest of life greater than Andrea, we don’t know who that is.  She’s hardly kidding when she says she makes love to a book emotionally.  What’s really interesting is how difficult reading is for her.  She’s dyslexic, and not at all afraid to talk about it.   No wonder she reads The Road Less Traveled over and over again.  Life is hard.  Embracing the struggle can bring great joy and reward.

It’s Andrea’s love of the written word, and a desire to share the treasures within the text that will make you love your reading experience even more.  The married mother of six children lives in the Desert Southwest but returns to her Boston roots each summer to crack open a book and dig her feet into the sand of Nantucket.

Full Podcast Transcript

[00:00:11] Recorded live from the Sweet Tea Studios in Wellesley Massachusetts. You’re listening to the podcast, Why I Read Nonfiction. Hosted by broadcaster and author of The Perfect Catch and Follow the Dog Home. Here’s Kevin Walsh.

[00:00:29] Hello and welcome to the program. Thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod for sponsoring Why I Read Nonfiction where it’s as much about the reader as it is about the books. This is a deep dive into the books that we read. But more importantly the motivation behind them our life as a reader. Our guest today is Andrea Giroux an old friend who’s back in the neighborhood now living in the desert southwest and loving life out there. A couple of things before we get into the discussion and trust me you’re gonna love the energy that my friend Andrea brings.

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[00:01:03] Leave a rating for it and tell a friend about it. That’s how we get the word out to everybody else and thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod for sponsoring. Nirvana is a great place nice vacation getaway on the elbow of Cape Cod perfect fishing hole, good for swimming, great trout fishing and nearby all the world-class beaches. All right. So our guest today is Andrea Giroux now living in Scottsdale Arizona?

[00:01:29] Yeah. How is the desert southwest? (Andrea) It’s so beautiful. It is gorgeous. I never could have imagined how much I’d love it. Do you take a look in the backyard and just read away. (Andrea) I sit in the shade outside every single day except for when it snowed. We had this bizarre snowstorm this winter.

[00:01:47] What it like in the desert when you see snow do you just think the Earth is ending or something.  (Andrea) and people were hysterical pulling their cars over and taking photographs you couldn’t get anywhere and there was no snowplows and no one has a snow shovel.

[00:02:01] So we were all like completely you know stationary. Nobody knows what to do.

[00:02:07] Well I remember living in California when it rained. People would freak out because it doesn’t rain a lot. And so all the oil’s on the road. It makes travel slippery. The ground here in the Northeast we just plow through that stuff. It’s not even tough. We are we. Yeah we’re used to it. So your life of reading it goes back. Who would you say is the biggest profound influence in your life with reading.

[00:02:31] Both my parents were just always always sitting with a book like reading just was what we did.

[00:02:40] My dad was a library trustee in the town of Canton. And he’d bring home books for us.  Oh he’d recommend this he’d recommend that. And yeah.

[00:02:50] So it is.

[00:02:50] There were books all over the house and that was what we’d watch science fiction TV shows like we were all addicted to Star Trek.

[00:02:58] But then there was you know reading time.  I never met your dad and I wish I had the opportunity but I went to his memorial service and I remember profoundly the eulogy that one of his good friends said because he talked about his reading life and he described your dad as a reader, a voracious reader. But the thing that really stood out to me was he said not only did he read everything and when something happened he had a book details of the book, the author, the year it was written.

[00:03:29] Is that how his mind worked? Yes. Yes.

[00:03:32] Yes. We see an incredible resource for you growing up.

[00:03:35] Oh I loved long car rides with my dad because he would just tell me all he was like a walking encyclopedia. He would tell me everything about Franconia Notch as we drove through and through. He would tell me if we’d passed a certain building like an Easton Stonehill College and he’d tell me about the Eaton family that had owned the court that building and their history. They built shovels and it just everything I loved spending time with my dad he was amazing.

[00:04:05] He was curious about everything. Super curious! Right. Are you that way too?

[00:04:10] I am a lot like my dad in the sense that yes I am like as dangerously curious. I will listen to anything and just with an open open mind.

[00:04:25] Our guest is Andrea Giroux who lives in Scottsdale Arizona formerly from the Boston area. But I guess you can take the girl out of Boston but you never take Boston out of the girl. Do you have the memory for the detail that he did? No, unfortunately. Can you read a book and you sometimes forget about it.

[00:04:42] Oh yes. I do to. It’s brutal. And I think you know I think I know a couple of years ago I gave up sugar for about I want to say it was almost a full year maybe eighteen months.  Why did you do that? Because I was worried about my ability to remember details.

[00:05:01] So hold on. You got to bring me up to speed, sugar impacts your memory?

[00:05:05] I found it did. I had heard that it did. I gave up sugar because I was really having a hard time when I was with working with your wife over at Sprague Elementary school. I couldn’t remember people’s names and I gave up sugar and wow I felt a huge impact. A real boost of brain power came back to me.

[00:05:27] And then, but did you have an incredible sense of withdrawal when you got sugar out of your system?

[00:05:32] Well I did it in such a way that I just I decided to fast for about four days three three or four days and then once I started eating I just eat healthy food. I did not go back to Sugar.

[00:05:43] You mentioned my wife. So I’ll just tell the back story.

[00:05:45] That’s how you and I know each other because you were Co-Presidents in the PTO at Sprague Elementary School which is in the Wellesley school system which is in in suburban Boston. You’re dyslexic. Is that right? I am very dyslexic. So how did you develop a love of reading with that challenge in your life?

[00:06:05] That was difficult. Tell me about it. I really struggled in elementary school and it wasn’t until I started reading like it’s funny because you know the Dr. Seuss books were.

[00:06:23] Oh my gosh. Just why don’t you just tie me to a chair and torture me. But when I finally got my hands on the Outsiders and then Gone With The Wind and then books like that I was thrilled. I couldn’t do the little books because when you’re dyslexic a word like hop is hard. You know the little words are three letter words bounce around and that those pages when I turned those page they that it was really difficult. It was easier for me with a big long book. Is that interesting.

[00:06:57] Well we’ve had another dyslexic on the program before Chris Gloninger a meteorologist at NBC 10 Boston. And he said he has such a profound sense of accomplishment when he’s done with the book that it’s worth the struggles. How do you feel?

[00:07:13] Well I will find it. I love reading nonfiction and I love.

[00:07:22] I have gotten to the point where I’m now that I’m older. I used to feel that when I was younger now that I’m older I. I know I don’t want the book to end. So I I always feel a little sad when the book’s over. And I will reread the same book a couple of times if I if I want to. But but it’s funny you know since I’ve moved out of Boston and stuff the endings of books it’s one more I like it and you know it’s the end of a great era. I was reading this particular.

[00:07:53] It’s like saying goodbye to a good friend. Right. Yes. And I milk a lot of books. The beauty is you can revisit it again. Yes you can. Sometimes friends come in and out of our lives.

[00:08:02] Have you ever read that book Killer Angels. No. Tell me about. Oh it’s about the Civil War.

[00:08:10] I think I think I have a little thing for the Civil War. But why do you have a thing for the civil war? I don’t know maybe it’s a past life.

[00:08:18] But I loved Gone With the Wind and then my dad handed me Killer Angels and I can’t remember who wrote it but when I finished that book I was so sad that I could reread it but I would never be able to.

[00:08:35] You know you can’t re-read it like the first time. You really really immerse yourself in a book don’t you? Yes. You take on the characters?

[00:08:43] Yeah I feel it in my heart.

[00:08:45] Some you know you just… Do you cry? Oh God ya! Sob! Like Glass Castle. There are parts of that book where I just sat there sobbing. I have a great one thing about dyslexics. A lot of dyslexics have amazing visual abilities. So like when I never can I watch a movie where I read that book and have it be as good. My oh my gosh my imagination is fantastic. Because it needs to be that’s like a coping mechanism with it. Right.

[00:09:15] So where you struggle in one thing you may be very good. It’s like a blind person. Their sense of hearing and their other senses are enhanced by it.

[00:09:23] Mm hmm. And that’s what dyslexia, if when I’m writing a letter to someone even the word dog will turn into God. The letters stop if I stare at it too long the letters dance around. Now when I walk into someone’s house I the space in the House will dance around I can move their furniture around oh like oh boy if they put their couch over there they’d have a better view of that window in the backyard. So things move in my mind.

[00:09:49] They move in your mind. Our guest is Andrea Giroux. Thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod for sponsoring the program if you’re looking for a great summer spring or fall getaway that is the perfect place on the elbow of Cape Cod on a kettle pond filled with fish. Great fly fishing a newly renovated coastal theme home. And all the books that we talk about today and a transcript of my discussion with Andrea Giroux are available on our website. Why I Read Nonfiction.com

[00:10:15] So just sit back and listen and take it all in. You mentioned the Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls. Who was she and why was her life story so interesting to you.

[00:10:29] She is a journalist. She grew up. She was born in California. I believe it was California and her family traveled and that spend a couple of years in California than they believe they went to like Salt Lake City. They were in Utah. I think they were in Nevada. They traveled across the country. Her father became a bad alcoholic. Her mother had been a schoolteacher. Her parents end up completely homeless at one at the end of her life with them. She was in Appalachia.

[00:11:01] The reason I.

[00:11:04] Fell in love with the book was that through her writing I could feel the love even though her family was completely dysfunctional. There was this sense of love that she had as a child.  Love to give or love that was felt? Oh. She knew her father and mother loved her and she just felt it. She did not write the book to say oh look at me I was. My parents were crazy. She wrote the book saying even though my parents were crazy I felt so much love and she actually visited the Wellesley library and I was thrilled to meet her in person.

[00:11:45] It was interesting to me that other people that I gave that book to couldn’t finish reading the book because they found the dysfunction so disturbing.

[00:11:54] But you found the the underlying theme of love. Correct. Worth the slog and the pain.

[00:12:00] Oh I just yes I just thought. But I was really fascinated that people were saying they were they couldn’t finish the book and I was saying book couldn’t you didn’t. Yeah. There was so much love there.

[00:12:11] Couldn’t you feel that’s part of life isn’t there just dysfunction in any family. Oh hello.

[00:12:18] Yes absolutely. It’s the human condition. I think that’s why we’re here. I think we’re here to experience the dysfunction but get through it and and connect with one another. The saddest thing to me is when people say oh I don’t want to deal with this dysfunction so I’m just going to you know exit the door and not deal with these people anymore. That breaks my heart. I think getting in there and feeling you know like dealing with it and being there you have to be present. You have to be there.

[00:12:47] The Power of Love gets you through anything and what one of my friends that that I enjoy spending conversation with and reading his book. Rabbi Harold Kushner. He talks about there’s no more powerful motivator in the world in feeling than to know that you are loved by somebody for who you are. Even if there’s dysfunction even if their struggle there’s nothing greater than that. And I think what you had said about like some of your friends couldn’t get through the book maybe because they had expectations it was going to be something else. When a book doesn’t quite meet our expectations we might fall out of love with. I’ll give you an example. When I wrote Follow The Dog Home one of the things that my readers were upset about is that there were a lot of dogs dying and I suppose that’s the life cycle we had to say goodbye to dogs to say hello to new ones. I couldn’t imagine it any other way.

[00:13:37] You know I’m saying I know exactly what you are saying and I think I don’t know yet I guess it is the expectations that people have of the book. But I think sometimes books press your buttons. And that’s why you put the book down. Maybe it’s pressing you know like you cause all our society doesn’t want to deal with death.

[00:13:58] We just don’t want to.

[00:14:00] And you know well it’s going to happen to everybody. There’s a 100 percent mortality rate for everybody. And the way you handle it and prepare yourself for it may make it. It’s difficult there’s no question about that. But I think if you embrace the struggle not just with death but embrace the struggle with everything. Doesn’t it make a life? Oh, I have more worth living.

[00:14:25] We my siblings and I were with my father when he passed and we were we had it in his home in his bedroom. He he did not want to go you know to the hospital and we were with my mother in her bedroom when she was dying. And to be present, my experience was I absolutely felt this energy when he took his last breath in the room I apps and I think it’s I had all my sisters and my sister in law in the room when I had my last daughter and my first baby. I have three sisters and my husband has sisters and we have huge family big Irish family on both sides my husband side of my side. But I had a roomful of people when I gave birth to my last daughter. I wish I’d done it with all my children.

[00:15:14] Wo wo wo back that up. How many people were in the room?

[00:15:17] I had.

[00:15:19] While my sisters my three sisters my oldest daughter my daughter my sister in law.

[00:15:23] I asked my brother too. So everybody is in? And my husband of course. And then I had my. SO MODESTY was not an issue? No I asked. I did ask my brother to leave for the 30 seconds because it was only two pushes and Elizabeth came out. Yes. I just because there’s something greater than than mod and I am a super modest person on a day to day basis. But the two and my sisters are so adorable they’re like oh to be there to see the gift of life coming in and then the same crowd was there when my both my parents left.

[00:15:59] And to have that experience of life coming and life going it’s you we’ve lost it because we don’t live on farms. We don’t have animals, we don’t you know let our dogs have babies anymore. So we’ve lost this connection of life coming and going in the flow of life. And you know you’ve got the tree. I love New England because the trees lose their leaves. They get these beautiful flowers and buds and leaves and then they lose their leaves. So the flow of life. The cycle of life. Embraced by the Light by Betty Eadie.  I’ve given this book away to. I’ve probably given away 50 bucks this of that book. Why do you do it and tell me about the book for those that are not familiar?

[00:16:38] Ok Betty Eadie was raised, she’s a native American. She was raised in an orphanage by very strict mean nuns. So she had was raised with this you know you’re bad or you’re good and we’re all bad when we’re born.

[00:16:56] She was raised very strictly and she went in for a hysterectomy she had like four kids or some four or five kids and she went in for a hysterectomy. I believe she was you know maybe 42 or so.

[00:17:06] She had she had a fifth-grade education and she went in for a hysterectomy and she had a near-death.

[00:17:14] Experience.

[00:17:15] How did she come out of it? What was different after that point?

[00:17:19] She wanted to die afterward. She was very. She got very depressed. Like why was she made to live? Why why did she come back? She had. She said it was so beautiful on the other side she felt nothing but love. And when you heard it I read her book.

[00:17:35] Then I saw her interviewed on Oprah. Then she came to Boston. A funny story is I could not make it to see her speak in Boston. So I had bought tickets I sent my sisters.  At the time I lived in Cohasset and my sisters were in Wellesley so they could make it but there was a snowstorm. I couldn’t make it to to hear her speak. And when my sisters went to hear her speak they said “Andrea why did you, oh my gosh I can’t believe you made us go hear her speak”.

[00:17:59] “She’s so ignorant.”

[00:18:01] And I said well doesn’t that make you? OK. So they said she’s so ignorant. She she talks like it’s like talking to an elementary school kid. And I said well doesn’t that tell you that what she wrote in the book because the book is beautiful and it gives you hope and I give it to people who have lost loved ones.

[00:18:21] Is this similar to Tuesdays with Morrie? Have you read that?

[00:18:24] Yes I have read that. No it’s not not not. No not no. No hers.

[00:18:29] It’s like exiting life but just the way it’s handled is.

[00:18:32] No no no she comes. She went in for a hysterectomy. Had a past life for it like died, came back and she just kept babbling to everybody that were all love all love and then she talks about heaven and what she experienced.  And so can as believers can I take away from that?

[00:18:50] There is there is a place for me when I’m when it’s my time? A happy place to go to. What you take away. I’m a Catholic boy I believe in heaven but I just feel like I have to earn it.

[00:19:01] Are you telling me that based on her.?  No she she really thought she was a sinner. She was raised by these kind of tough nuns but hers. And she believed she was a sinner. And when she dies she’s totally embraced by love and we and she came back saying we all are. I mean we all have to work at being as good as we can be but all is forgiven and God really does love each and every one of us.

[00:19:23] So it’s a story of hope and it’s it’s not to fear death as as a lot of us do.

[00:19:28] This is why I gave it. I give it to people to let them know that their loved ones are being embraced by love and the light and God. And that they shouldn’t just like you’ll be sad when you’re when your loved ones die. You miss them. You are sad but know that your loved ones are just in a good place. Which eases some of the pain.

[00:19:50] Andre Giroux is our guest here on Why I Read Nonfiction. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast, leave a rating subscribers free just take care of it. Thank you to Nirvana on beautiful Cape Cod for sponsoring if you’re looking for a great spring summer fall vacation getaway perfect place sleeps 10 wonderful house coastal themed it is absolutely it will scratch every itch that you have and if you like the fly fish it’s as good as Montana and Colorado. The Road Less Traveled By and Beyond by

[00:20:22]  Scott Peck. That’s another book. How many times have you read that?

[00:20:26] Oh gosh at least four. Why? I read it once a year from the time I was eighteen, maybe even six times. I read it. I would read it. I read it when I was going through a change in my life so senior year in high school I found the book.

[00:20:42] Then. You found it on your own or was there circumstances behind it or was it recommended?

[00:20:46] I like that you ask that question. My mom had read the book. It was in the house. I don’t I know that my mother did not say read this book. It was in the house I found the book in the house. But my parents had read it. So I. That was the other thing in my house. My father would recommend books but we were never told you have to do this. You have to do that.

[00:21:06] So I would read the book at different stages of my life.

[00:21:13] I know that when I first got married I read the book again and when I had my first child I read the book again and I probably read it when I had my boy.

[00:21:19] What does it do does it give you a reset and like a grounding on things?

[00:21:23] Well that’s a great way to say it yes. He starts off the first page of the first paragraph has life is hard. It is hard isn’t it? It is hard. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that right? And you know taking the hard path like you know just bearing down and getting into it is going to be the best road for you.

[00:21:47] Well it reminds me of Robert Frost. I mean two people with Bay State roots. The Road Not Taken I took the road less traveled by and made all the difference.

[00:21:57] I believe that I do too.

[00:21:59] Do you think with today’s kids that we paved the road a little bit too smooth for them and then there really I don’t think we’re ready for life.

[00:22:05] I love that you the way you worded that I don’t. I heard someone when I was at Sprague say.

[00:22:13] Parents should be preparing the child for the road not.

[00:22:19] Preparing the road for the child not going out in front of the child and and in filling in the potholes and you know paving the road. It shouldn’t it shouldn’t be like that. It should be prepare the child.

[00:22:30] It’s funny how just like interesting conversations can remind you of pivotal moments in life. But before you came over today I was working out at the gym and was talking with a guy that runs the front desk there and he was telling me about being a season ticket holder for the New England Patriots before they were the Bill Belichick and Tom Brady Patriots, the world beaters. He was talking about the old Sullivan Stadium and how they were fights. There were the toilets were overflowing. It was really great. And it reminded me of my days growing up in Philadelphia in which we went to Philadelphia Eagles games and there were fights in the stands. There was bad language around there was heavy drinking and we were twelve or thirteen years old and my father and a good friend’s father they didn’t they didn’t shelter us or they’d say Hey I got my children here Watch that line with their LIKE BOYS THIS IS LIFE.

[00:23:19] This IS LIFE YOU KNOW. Know how to avoid some of the trouble but you’re going to see this around and I think when we came of age we knew how to handle ourselves we had a little bit more savvy than somebody that was bubble wrap the whole way. Well, I definitely think bubble wrapping is a bad idea. Have you read A Nation of Wimps by Hara Estroff. OK, so you remember that kid in New York City that he was 7 years old and he had a bunch of tokens and he was taking the subway all around and then a journalist wrote a story about him about how he was getting himself on all the different trains. No, I never heard this. Well, the reaction was that that’s neglectful parenting that’s child abuse. Well, my parents were New Yorkers and like that was our experience growing up. I.

[00:24:04] Kevin I just did something and I cringe cringe cringe. But my daughters loved it. I let my 16-year-old daughter and my soon to be 20 year old but she’s 19 technically drive from Scottsdale Arizona to Boston Massachusetts by themselves with a dog and a cat. And I am cringing because I know how many people are like you did what.

[00:24:31] Well when I was 14 years old and playing in a lot of junior golf tournaments I used to travel with the Reily

[00:24:37] brothers now they were a little bit older. They were 18 and 19 I was 14 and we would drive from Philadelphia down to North Carolina 14 hours. Well this is this is a what is that a 36 hour trip from Scottsdale. Yes 34 36 hours. Oh my goodness.

[00:24:56] But I think our parents said it’ll be an adventure for them let them rough it a lot. I said and it was and they were really funny taking photographs of different places and they survived. But I do cringe because I know how many people would say Oh My God that’s neglectful parenting.

[00:25:14] Well the coddling, I have a book behind I mean here it is right here. You see it on my shelf here. Yes. The Coddling of the American Mind, How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are Setting Up a Generation For Failure. Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt. I think that kind of speaks to let the kids get out the skin their knees a little bit.

[00:25:31] How many kids you have? Six. What was it like raising six kids? I. How many trips to the emergency room. Not that many. Really not that many. Honest to God. And I have a really good friend from my childhood who is an emergency room doctor who was shocked that I didn’t have more and more visits to the emergency room.

[00:25:54] But we and two of our homes had swimming pools but I can’t tell you how many watches I lost jumping in the pools because kids would love to say they were drowning and Mrs. Giroux would be in that pool. But thank God I didn’t have cell phones back then but I loved having kids I just loved and we wouldn’t have just kids we would have all the neighborhood kids. I have photographs of my front like the front porch area with millions of pairs of shoes because the kids would come over in the wintertime and take their boots off. It was so much fun. It was really fun. Do your kids have the love of reading that you do? My son Timmy does my daughter. Yes. The oldest couple. I do have two kids with dyslexia. What is their reading experience been? Michael’s was tough. And what he finally has now what he does is he listens to a lot of books on tape but he probably listens to a book on tape, hmm two a week. He’s very bright. He loves. So he loves story.

[00:26:54] Now interestingly. He just has to experience it a different way.

[00:26:58] Yes. All right.

[00:27:01] Go ahead you were going to go. I was gonna say he just he had a really hard time with The Glass Castle Book. He couldn’t get into it. He thought the parents he was very judgy about the parents I thought. But. Yeah. So Michael is. I’d love all.

[00:27:15] I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Peterson from Canada. My boys are Jordan Peterson and they’re really into Jordan Peterson.

[00:27:25] I read his book. This how my mind works as I read his book.

[00:27:29] It’s. The one thing that sticks with me is he says don’t let your children do things that make you dislike them.

[00:27:37] Yes.

[00:27:39] And I think it’s 12 12 points for having a fulfilled life. But but he’s very wise. He’s a wise person. And that’s my taste in reading. I like I like reading stuff that when I’m done I’m like I have a little bit of a roadmap for life. Yeah. But of course, as he’s talking about his situations I’m thinking of my own. Yeah, you do that, don’t you?

[00:28:00] Oh absolutely. Well, that’s the thing like I mean I’m glad that Mike we always turn things on ourselves.

[00:28:07] Right. That’s the human condition. We’re all selfish which sounds like a terrible word. It’s not. No I don’t think it is at all. It’s a survival mechanism.

[00:28:14] Well I think that if I’ve said to my kids if you are making yourself happy if you’re happy I know this as a mother when I’m happy I am making a delicious dinner and I’m kissing people’s boo-boos and I’m giving out hugs. And when I’m unhappy you know I am not as pleasant to be around. I am tough. So I say your first job. It’s OK. Here’s the analogy. And I say this to mothers. I used to say this to mothers all the time when I was a PTO President Co-President. When you get on the airplane the first thing they say to you is put the oxygen mask on yourself before you go trying to help the people you’re sitting with. You need to do that is every single individuals responsible for putting the oxygen mask on themselves first. Then you can help others. If you are not if you are not selfish you’re going to crash and burn.

[00:29:13] You got to take care of yourself before you can take care of others. You have no right to be taking care of others if you don’t have your act together. I’m with you on that. You should write a book. Come back another time. It was kind of cool wasn’t it.

[00:29:25] This is really fun and I love you Kevin. You’re such. Ever since I first met you. You’re bubbly. You’re alive. You’re out there and you’re interested and I love that in people. And you know moving to Arizona I’ve had to meet all these new, I’ve had to get a whole new friend base and what attracts. That gives juice to life.

[00:29:46] Oh my gosh. The ability to make new friends. And that’s what Rabbi Kushner told me and he writes about. The ability to make new friends because we’ll all age we all die our friends will die eventually. But your ability to make new friends will keep you happy more than anything through life.

[00:30:01] And there are people and I said this to Jean at breakfast the other day there are people out there who shut down. They get to a certain age and it’s like I’m. My body is still working but I’ve shut my. The lights are on but nobody’s home. They’ve shut down. And Kevin you haven’t. Jean hasn’t and the people that when I come back to Wellesley you know because I’m bopping through Wellesley right now.

[00:30:24] The people I want to see are the people who are alive. They’re reading wanting to be curious. Forever interesting. And here’s the thing and this is the whole point of the podcast is when you read you have things to think about you have things to act upon. And I know that you often read and then you it inspires you to do things you’re going to have to come back. All right.

[00:30:45] Because the sum of your indulgences based on your reading. I got to get into it but we don’t have time for right now. Andrea Giroux. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. All right. God bless you and your family. I hope you have a good summer. And for all the listeners out there all the books that we talked about today remember and a full transcript of my conversation with Andrea is available on the website. Why I Read Non-fiction.com. Thank you again to Nirvana on Cape Cod. Beautiful spring summer and fall getaway perfect fly fishing perfect swimming hole in the perfect location. So for Andrea Giroux, I’m Kevin Walsh. I want to thank everybody for listening. Spread the word.

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